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Post by wolfvanzandt on May 12, 2013 18:35:35 GMT -6
I have started a page on Were psychology on the Timeline. It's in the Therianthropy section on The Mind of the Were and The Mind of the Were Audio pages. I'll be including information from past studies. I've just put up the sections on animal mentality and on the theriotype. theriantimeline.com/therianthropy/the_mind_of_the_were
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Post by Siverwolf on May 12, 2013 19:46:08 GMT -6
Wow, that's like the story of my life. Especially the language part.
I didn't start talking well until I was 4yrs old and I still had speech and listening problems. My parents thought I, well I'm not sure what they thought when they put me in the NC school for the deaf. I can recall I had a wierd feeling that my insides where different and I often would growl at people I didn't know in public.
Sometimes I hear people talking to me but I can't understand what they are saying. Like they are speaking a different language and there tone of voice. Or I hear there voice and read there facial expressions but my understanding of the english language is out. Is that normal? Does it happen to anyone else?
Siverwolf.
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Post by moonbeam on May 12, 2013 20:25:56 GMT -6
I'm actually pretty gifted with language, which is probably where I deviate from other weres the most. It's a family trait. My dad is a brilliant linguist, and his grandfather was an immigrant from Dalmatia who learned English quickly and spoke it without an accent. Sometimes people in my dreams will speak Spanish or Russian (I don't speak Russian at all, but I was around Russian speakers a lot as a child). Though I still have my moments when I struggle to communicate because of various reasons - either my thoughts aren't well suited to convert into words, or someone just said a whole paragraph that just zipped over my head. It's not that I wasn't listening to them, I just, like, I don't even know.
I'm way better with reading than speaking, no matter what language I involved. I'm very image oriented, and written words look like images to me.
Haven't read the page yet, but I'll get on that.
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Post by Ashen on May 12, 2013 21:53:19 GMT -6
The Timelime seems to be having a loading issue I can't get to it right now but I'll keep checking. I've had a lot of language and speech issues for most of my life - when I did a lot of public speaking stuff I talked easier but haven't been out of school for a while I stumble over words and sentences a lot. Reading has always been easy thou.
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Post by wolfvanzandt on May 12, 2013 22:20:10 GMT -6
Yeah, it's pretty common, Siver. Most Weres say that kind of thing happens when they're shifted. It happens to me when I've been around Weres for a while. Folks at the office understand that I have to "decompress" when I get back from a Howl. I try hard to not have any report writing waiting for me after trips to visit other Weres. For a couple of weeks, they have to put up with me grunting and snarling, and growling as response to questions and such. I'm grateful for their long-suffering.....
Moonbeam is right. Sometimes, circumstances expose us more to formal language at an early age. In my case, I've always been drawn to things I'm not supposed to be able to do so I've done things like joined speech competition teams and acted in local plays and such to force myself to excel in language. (I'm also acrophobic, which is why I've gone out for rock climbing and rappelling and such.)
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Post by wolfvanzandt on May 12, 2013 22:25:01 GMT -6
Hmmmm, yeah, I'm having problems interacting with Yahoo and my website tonight. Maybe they're doing some kind of maintenance or something.
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Post by wolfvanzandt on May 12, 2013 22:59:05 GMT -6
I don't know what that was about but it seems to be working again. I was just getting ready to call the tech support when the website popped back up.
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Post by Lunar Flare on May 13, 2013 0:06:19 GMT -6
Wow, that's like the story of my life. Especially the language part. I didn't start talking well until I was 4yrs old and I still had speech and listening problems. My parents thought I, well I'm not sure what they thought when they put me in the NC school for the deaf. I can recall I had a wierd feeling that my insides where different and I often would growl at people I didn't know in public. Sometimes I hear people talking to me but I can't understand what they are saying. Like they are speaking a different language and there tone of voice. Or I hear there voice and read there facial expressions but my understanding of the english language is out. Is that normal? Does it happen to anyone else? Siverwolf. I have what my grandmother says to be a "Tin ear", meaning that I can hear low sounds from far away, but even when close and loud I cannot always understand what people are saying. I have to ask people to repeat themselves constantly. But, put me in a room, close the door, and stand 100+ feet away, and you might be surprised what I hear you say . I can also hear dog whistle frequencies that my friends cannot. There was some app on my friend smart phone, and it had 7 frequencies, if I recall correctly. I could hear 5 out of 7, and they could only hear 1 out of 7. They know about the therian thing, so they thought I was trying to prove something dishonestly. So, they got me to stand in the kitchen with my back turned, about 25 feet away. I would raise or lower my hand when they would activate the "dog whistles". They got a little freaked out when I did it perfectly. I wanna know if anyone else has tried this as well? I shouldn't be difficult if you have a smart phone, just look up dog whistle apps. Going back to childhood behaviors though.... I would snarl, pounce, claw and bite things and people. Thats how I would fight till my uncle taught me how to fight "like a man". And even then, if I would completely loose my temper, I would revert to my wolf like behavior as a child. Though, I never remember growling and grunting for communication when I was calm. However, I seem to be doing that more often in my life now that I have reconnected with my wolf-side. Lately I find my self constantly in a shifted state, though the very slightly shifted state, level 1 out of 3 if you will. Though it does seem to fluctuate a lot, which makes me growl more to responses, lol. I have not checked out the new timeline stuff, I need to go to bed!! But I will soon.
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Post by moonbeam on May 13, 2013 0:22:37 GMT -6
I wanna know if anyone else has tried this as well? I shouldn't be difficult if you have a smart phone, just look up dog whistle apps. I am about to try this out right now! I'm browsing various dog whistle apps. I USED to have a dog whistle for a while, like an actual whistle, not an app. I got it when my dog was a puppy to help with "training," but then I scrapped it because the sound of the whistle drove me up the wall. I also work in a room with 14 computer monitors, and the frequencies that they run on give me migraines. Usually not so bad - I pop some Excedrin at the start of my shift, and that gets me through fine. I do have times, though, when the pain gets unbearable. I also cannot STAND to have a TV left on with the sound on mute. As long as there is at least a low tone of voices coming through, I am okay with that. But if it's on mute, then the frequency that the TV runs on just cuts through my brain like a knife. ETA: Also, that bit you mentioned about your grandmother saying that you had a "tin ear" reminded me: When I was growing up, my mom always said that I have "selective hearing," meaning that I "chose" not to hear things that I didn't want to hear. Not true - I genuinely did not hear a lot of stuff that was said to me because the words just didn't process. Though the problem was partially hers, as well. She would mean to say something but not, then later on become convinced that she had. And, conversely, I was highly attuned to overhearing things that were said in other parts of the house. We lived in a large farm house, and pretty much anything that someone said no matter where they were in the house, I could hear it. To this day, if someone says my name, my ears instantly prick toward the sound of it. My co-workers are amazed by my ability to hear detailed conversations that they have in the other room, across the hall from my office. They have randomly tested me on numerous occasions by saying stuff about me, and I'm like, "OMG NUH UH!" ETA2: Okay, YES, I can hear the dog whistle on the app that I downloaded on my phone. It has a bar that you can slide up and down to make the frequency lower or higher. The lowest frequency, I imagine anyone could hear. It's insanely loud. The highest I can only hear if my phone's volume is cranked up. It is very similar to the frequency that my office's monitors emit, but I think it's a tad higher. My phone is right next to me, though. If someone was holding it across the room, I don't know how well I'd pick it out. I suggest we play with dog whistles at the Howl! (if I make it out to the Howl. But heck, even if I'm not there, it's something fun for you guys to do). ETA3: I just tested both of my co-workers who are present with the dog whistle, and neither of them can hear it at all, even on the lowest setting. BUT they are both 60 years old, so that may be why.
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Post by arcanusgreywolf on May 13, 2013 6:03:34 GMT -6
This is a fantastic post. I'll have to read it in more detail.
Now about my personal psych...
I've always been a "socially awkward" kid. Such to the point that I was sent to the school's psychologist on numerous occasions starting on around age 8 I think. Was I hyperactive? Was I just a shy kid? He's so brilliant, but does not get along well with others. His he schizoid? yaddah yaddah...
The fact of the matter is that I saw it all as a game. I knew what they were looking for and would twist and turn my personality at the drop of a hat. I recall one test they gave me where they asked me to write down this paragraph "exactly as I saw it". I was like, "Okay, you asked for it." and proceeded to write the paragraph exactly as I saw it... ...down to the precise word and letter spacing, trying to match the same font, everything. Because it took so long to get the paragraph "exactly as I saw it" and the fact I took them so literally, they must have thought I had some kind of learning disability. No, I was just being a smartass. Must have been that smidgen of coyote in there...
I don't believe I had an issue with language. I was put in front of Sesame Street and the Electric Company (remember this was the 1970s) as soon as I could perceive what TV was and learned much of language from there. I was reading comic books at age 3 from what I am told. I could count to 10 in Spanish by then as well. I was watching Cosmos with Dr. Sagan by the time I was 10 and understood it!
What I could not understand however is why humanity does what it does. Why do we fight over the silliest little things like how the money should be spread out (Capitalism v. Communism, now we are in the late Cold War of the 1980s.) Also I understood what an atom bomb was by the time I was 11 and it terrified me that humans could wipe themselves off the face of the planet in the wink of an eye...
Yes, I will admit there was a time when I felt very, VERY strongly misanthropic. I just could not wrap my head around "man's inhumanity to man" and to beast as well. I could never understand ideaology and religeon either. What was the point of all this. And for that reason, I was to be branded as someone who was "socially inept."
Well time changes and years go by. I've dealt with my own inner daemons without medication. (I think my mother out refused to let the school prescribe anything for me). I feel rather well adjusted now thank you very much. Yes, I am not a very social person until I get to know you. But once I've "smelled you out" you can't shut me up about nuclear chemistry, alchemy, sacred geometry and especially Doctor Who.
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Post by arcanusgreywolf on May 13, 2013 6:15:14 GMT -6
Oh, dog whistles? Yeah I can hear them. And they HURT!
I am not sure if that is a result of the fact that I punctured both eardrums as a kid when I had chicken pox, or if that is something else... But it's not just dog whistles. I've heard the bat's echolocation as they hunt bugs in the early NC evenings. I've heard the sounds that came out of the radar guns we used to measure speed and distance in a college physics class. But that's not the worst of it.
Who hear goes totally wolf-crap (putting it nicely) or whatever your pheno is when those dad blamed fire alarms go off at work and/or a Wal-Mart or similar such place? Those things are loud, shrill and.... UGH!
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Post by wolfvanzandt on May 13, 2013 16:21:37 GMT -6
Yeah, dog whistles and other high pitch noises drive me crazy. What really drives me crazy is that, like most older people, I'm beginning to develop "islands of deafness". Certain frequencies are beginning to drop out of my hearing range and the only one that I know of is the exact frequency of my wrist watch so that I can't hear my timer alarm go off. I use my wrist watch to time people taking tests - I can't listen for it; I have to keep an eye on it.
The fire alarms feel like something is being driven into my brain. I have earplugs in my office for that.
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Post by Lunar Flare on May 13, 2013 20:16:40 GMT -6
Fire Alarms are pretty damn painful to me as well, its horrible. So I am reading now the psychology entry, and am just getting started. However, I want to go ahead and comment on one of the paragraphs before I forget... First, I am not arguing with your perspective, nor am I saying that you were saying all were's fit everything you say. I know you have lots lots more interaction than I could ever dreampt of having... The paragraphs about distract-ability and tolerance to low stimuli don't fit me. I have ADD, and thus I get distracted a lot, and need constant stimulation or I get super bored. I also day dream a lot, not about fantasies, but just constantly deep in thought. I love being in large crowds of people, and even around big city noises and smells. However, I do agree with the sensation of clothing does somewhat bother me, as I usually go shirtless often, even in front of friends and family. I really just dont give a shit because I usually get very uncomfortable with clothes. And electric hums do bother me, especially if I am in a car with it turned off around electric poles. OMG that drives me insane, I have to have some other noise or just get out of the car. I also can be a chatter box. I am sure thats easy to see with my long winded posts and emails But that is part of my personal wolf nature. Wolves are social creatures, and have some of the most complicated communications in the animal kingdom, next to Ravens and Dolphins. In the native American personality trait, the wolf is the one who seeks new knowledge and wisdom, and then shares it with the rest of the pack. Thats me for sure, and obviously thats you too WVZ. Now, my friend Natewolf, is a very quite guy who can just sit next to me without saying anything and we are perfectly happy. I still chatter on about. But usually when we shift, 90% of our communication becomes non-verbal, and when I force myself to speak verbally, its uncomfortable, and feels strained in those instances. And I only do it when something very important needs to be said. So, I am not arguing with you, saying you are wrong or anything. I just wanted to throw out another perspective. And I am not doubting that the majority might just be the way you say, since my experience with others is very very limited. Ok, I look forward to finishing this! Its pretty brilliant!
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Post by Lunar Flare on May 13, 2013 21:49:26 GMT -6
Ok, just finished. Once again, amazing. I am really impressed with all the leg work and effort you have done to share your knowledge and wisdom with the community. To me, you are THEE great were-scholar of our time. I have a feeling titles like that would probably make you feel uncomfortable, because I can tell you are not after fame and fortune, which makes my statement even more viable! Ha! I hope you continue to flesh out your website. You know, its starting to feel like I am taking a college course on Wereism, or the dreaded term, Therianthropy . What really separates your site's info from all the other sites is you really get into the heart of the matter with your own personal views based on extensive research and study, in which makes it all very academic. Sorry for all the praise, but you really deserve it because I know you have the best intentions at heart. I personally related to most of your document, minus the things I stated earlier. Some other things that I related too I want to point out. Nonlienear thought: I always assumed this was due to my ADD. Perhaps it is, or perhaps its a combination of my wolf mind. Interesting this is common for other weres. Perhaps my ADD is a product of being a were? Or just my personal therianthropy? Language: Not much to say here, than I had a speech impediment and had to go to speech lessons to talk normal. I am very empathic and can read body and facial expressions very well, and rely a lot on my own body language to communicate with others. Lots of people have told me that online I come off as cold, but in person I am extremely charming and persuasive do to my body language. Hypervigilent: I think you should expound on that more, as personally I am not sure what you mean and how that relates to us. Do you mean we are always looking for danger? I do tend to notice movement, sound, smell, and vibrations of movement quite easily, or rather, am very sensitive to those. I will agree I am also hypersensitive to stimuli. I have a low pain tolerance, unless I am shifted and then I dont feel pain. Also in the sexual sense, I am very sensitive and very non-verbally vocal. And for the last subject, I actually want to make a new thread about that. I have a strong theory (yes I know thats the improper word, but I dunno a better word to use) about why some people are confused. But I will get to that later, as I am curious what others have to say. All in all, fantastic work, keep it up!
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Post by Ashen on May 13, 2013 23:58:20 GMT -6
On the dog whistles and hums and such - I've never actually tried a dog whistle or the app, but I'm fairly positive I'd hear it; tvs, computers and some lights drive me crazy and/or give me headaches at times. One odd thing that kinda goes with all that.. a friend has a laser measuring device, I think it worked similar to echolocation it sent out a frequency low enough that your not suppose to be able to hear it and it measures the distance or something; but when my friend pointed it at me and clicked it, I could hear it, and it kinda freaked me out, (my back was to him) so I looked around for a good min or two trying to figure out where it was coming from.
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